I’ll try again. But again that was an issue of tactics rather than core principle. Whilst I greatly appreciate the work of the Oxford Centre and many of the people associated with that – Michael Ramsden, Amy Orr-Ewing, John Lennox, and others – I felt that we were called to reach a different group of people. I feel that it is much more simple than everyone thinks- He RZ simply got caught in a trap in the same way that David did with Bathsheba.., however RZ trap became a little deeper ( When a woman throws herself at a charismatic leader, the self-control aspect of the Fruits of the Holy Spirit, then the lines can become a bit blurred). It’s not the most gracious way to communicate. He was involved in Christian apologetics for a period spanning more than 40 years. Great article Dave. Inside Ravi Zacharias International Ministries (RZIM), staff wondered for months whether the world’s largest apologetics ministry would be willing to tell the truth about its famous namesake. Convictions such as it is wrong to murder, harm, steal, lie, cheat, exploit, take advantage of others have been around forever and are the basis of nation’s founding documents and legal systems. can continue on with impunity. My theology is that I believe what Jesus says. Is it all of them, is it none of them? A defender of evangelical Protestantism, Ravi is the author of numerous Christian books, including the Gold Medallion Book Award winner – Can Man Live Without God? When you say ‘public domain’, did you look beyond Ravi’s / RZIM’s narrative? These are statements which suggest that you do know people’s motives and you are capable of judging them. You will recall I am sure the difficult debates in the church in Scotland around the issue of same sex marriage a few years ago. It was sinful. We ‘judge’, or appraise, people and things all day long. No wonder my reply was strong. In fact, he was a guest on one of the last radio broadcasts I co-hosted with Chuck Colson. I played no part in the cover up by Ravi and whoever else was involved. And we need to bear in mind that our consciences can be seared as with a hot iron – and wrong. While I’m extremely sad over this hidden sin, I’m sadder more for his family, his colleagues, and the effect this will have in the proclamation of the gospel to the nations. If you are not a Christian then I hope and pray that you will come to repent, not just of this sin – but of all your sins. God in his wisdom sometimes uses very flawed sinful individuals. I will never be ‘no more.’ I will never be lost Ravi Zacharias quote: In other words, truth is not only a matter of offense, in that it makes certain assertions. And with leaders, perhaps we can look to the example of the apostle Paul who when having a following said “one of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Articles such as the one you wrote in December 2017 (“Ravi Zacharias Allegations – A Christian Response – Article on Premier Christianity) helped keep christian culture complacent and passive in not holding their leaders accountable. HOW DO WE KEEP YOUNG ADULTS IN THE CHURCH? I can see demonstrative actions. God will not hold us guiltless. When Ravi died, the Colson Center honored him in a number of ways. The prefix "a-" signifies the opposite of the root word. Yet it is also true that silence about wrong doing fosters lack of accountability and enables wrong doing. Your email address will not be published. For Ravi himself, what is established by RZMI is of no merit when it comes to eternity. are you willing and able to call out wrong when christian leaders do wrong? Speculation was required to try to understand things. Combine this with celebrity culture, and Christian celebrities who have abused others, engaged in financial corruption, etc. My family and I participated in the memorial service of Dr. Ravi Zacharias last Friday evening. You set yourself up in direct contradiction of the word of God – which tells us that there is no one that does good not one. "Sometimes people in leadership have to do things that are unethical" - Ravi Zacharias Home About Julie Anne Speaking, Media Interviews, Articles BGBC Lawsuit Archive (Julie Anne’s lawsuit) 00 Guide to Navigating the Referencing the Baker-Hytch letter, whereby another famed apologist and co-laborer with Zacharias called into question RZIM’s response to the claims, he writes: “I am devastated…I knew about the rumors, but it was always explained to me by RZIM officials as scurrilous gossip intended to bring down a good organization. Your email address will not be published. The idea that your atheist friends naturally do what is right and have no self interest is quite absurd – as well as being completely against the teachings of Christ – who I assume you follow? Thank you for letting me participate in the conversation on your blog. It is a verse etched on his grandmother’s grave stone and will be etched on his too. None are wholly good or wholly bad. The fall of a leader within the church is a desperately sad thing. This is what I mean about “black and white”. Ministries, vocations and employment are no substitute for dependence on the Spirit of God empowering us to put to death the inclinations of the flesh. They consistently choose honesty, generosity, and preferring the other at their own expense. “I have many friends and family who are muslim, hindu, agnostic, and atheist. The sheep respond to and follow the voice of the shepherd (John 10:4, 14, 27). What I describe above has been so striking to me. The law of God written on our hearts is how Paul describes it in Romans 2. I am not refusing to call out wrong, but I will wait until the verdict is in to add to the noise. Lord, have mercy! Watch; Audio; Download; Donate; Let me begin with two lighter-hearted stories and one more serious one to put this whole thing in perspective. He traveled to the 49th state in 2014 and spoke at the Governor’s Prayer Breakfast and at Anchorage Baptist Temple. Nietzsche also wrote that "there will be wars the like of which have never been seen on earth before." Follow TheWeeFlea.com on WordPress.com I really don’t appreciate being accused of cover up and not holding leaders accountable. We were wrong. And there were consequences for that. Ravi Zacharias | Courtesy of Passion Conference/Phil Sanders. I’ve noticed you tend to…. I apologize for wording things in such a way that portrayed that you had, and which amounted to an accusation. Agree with what you share. My atheist friends/family do what is right (not 100% across the board, because no human does). If something is bad I recognize it as bad. Having experienced personally, and seen the effects of gossip and allegations against a Christian teacher, I decided I could not judge. And neither was I. It is my fault. Topics. Your walking away from evangelicalism because of the atrocious behaviour of some leaders shows how weak your understanding of the Scriptures are and how proud you are. When God decides who should live or die, he is immoral, When you decide who This was covered live through Youtube. they sort of get lost and ignored when the christian masses have an overriding concern for personal holiness at the expense of calling out wrong and holding leaders accountable. A word on conscience: as i see it, it represents “created in God’s image”. This was covered live through Youtube. I have read and heard directly from those outside christian culture as to their astonishment and disgust at how christians do not hold their own accountable. Don’t gossip, don’t pass judgement on what you do not know and don’t entertain an accusation against an elder without witnesses. If I could refine my intentions, let me say that in my view, the message of ‘judge not’, ‘don’t gossip’ results in people not paying attention to their conscience and common sense. I believed and shared excuses for Ravi’s behavior, and in doing that, I misled others. What you have communicated is not honest (and it was hardly direct – coming a couple of years after the event). It is what destroyed them. In the letter, Baker-Hytch raises concerns about RZIM’s handling of three scandals involving its late founder, Ravi Zacharias—the credentials and sexting scandals, which were first reported in 2017, and the spa allegations, which surfaced in September. perhaps see things in black and white terms? I knew nothing that was not already in the public domain – and some of … He couldn’t have had friends, let alone any functional relationships at all, if he didn’t. A fall from grace, is just that. I don’t agree about making conscience the sole arbiter of what is right and wrong – why should I be judged (or judge) by anothers conscience. Again, it requires patience and waiting to see what the truth of the matter is. Your other ‘question’ is not a question. Biblical discipline (accountability) is as much a key part of the church as preaching and prayer! It is not helpful to have an organisation centred on and named after one individual. And it’s a beautiful thing to behold. Collection of sourced quotations by Ravi Zacharias on god. I am angry because Ravi Zacharias has brought shame to the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and betrayed his wife, his colleagues, his students, his ministry supporters, and his victims. In 2017 no one knew the details of the settlement, including who paid who what amount. We trusted the information provided to us. There is too much power and money invested in the institution. In a time of helplessness and unbelief—when he was on a bed of suicide—the truth of Scripture brought hope to Zacharias, and he committed his life to Christ, promising, “I will leave no stone unturned in … We do more disservice as Christians by jumping into the fray too soon on some issues, rather than leaving investigations and organizations closer to the person to do their work first. You are right. It is sad to see this story. Any truth – all truth – comes ultimately from God, outside of time or place or context. Ravi Zacharias has 89 books on Goodreads with 125523 ratings. The net effect is that evangelical people turn off their own critical thinking and common sense, even when faced with credible allegations. The Gospel Project The Gospel Project is a chronological, Christ-centered study for kids . Michael Ramsden of RZIM produced one of the memorable talks I have ever heard-‘Conversational Apologetics’-which can be accessed online in different forms. Well written David. The most harm was done directly to those women he abused, human beings made in the image of God and for whom Christ died. I suspect your theology is also framed in black and white terms. Why resort to mocking sarcasm? True, I can’t know anyone’s motives. I cannot call him a fraud, because having listened to his teaching and read his books, I see how God has used him to reach thousands for the kingdom. But I find the quote from one of his colleagues that “Ravi Zacharias was not the greatest apologist of his generation, but rather one of its greatest frauds” a bit spurious (though I can understand his reaction). Your post is a disgusting slander – which, because I believe in biblical church discipline – if you were a member of my church you would be held to account for. Are you not exaggerating a wee bit? Your article from December 2017 in no way encouraged attacks or enabled them. “These prisoners know that this world is not their home and that no coffin could ever That would be wrong.”. I was out. I did not communicate as well as I should have. Ravi was never a righteous man of his own standing, and had none of this come to light, that would still be the truth. and living a moral life are their own rewards.). It is heartbreaking. May God keep us all from falling. When the Truth-Bearer Falls Responding to the Revelations about Ravi Zacharias Podcast by John Stonestreet for BreakPoint. They demonstrate stronger integrity of character and are more Christ-like than the christian people I’ve known all my life and christians I observe. When the Truth-Bearer Falls Responding to the Revelations about Ravi Zacharias Podcast by John Stonestreet for BreakPoint Two days before Christmas, Ravi Zacharias International Ministries confirmed that its founder had engaged in sexual misconduct over the course of many years. Allberry gently ministered to the family through his message of hope and assurance in Christ during the graveside service. If you are a Christian I hope you repent of your slander, your intemperate language and your false accusations. Ravi Zacharias, a world-renowned apologist for Christianity, died at the age of 74. His heart was in each one. I’ve wondered in deep disappointment why christians who have influence have been silent all this time. Explore our selection of the shortest quotations by the Indian Philosopher. Perhaps all of us are guilty in a sense. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I remember beginning the interview by apologizing for all the times I inadvertently plagiarized him over the years. Warning: This report contains graphic accusations about sexual activity. Ravi, a highly regarded speaker, author, and apologist, died a few months ago. If something is good, I recognize it as good. My allusion to Tim Challies statement in his article was to point to how remaining silent revictimizes the victims and prevents accountability for the perpetrators. Not exaggerating. By the way – I am certain that in heaven there will be less theological diversity – not more. You do not pay $250,000 to someone who allegedly is seeking to sue or bribe you if you are the innocent party.”. I observe good things and I observe bad things, in individuals and in groups. ‘Demas, having loved this world, has forsaken me’ (2 Tim. Ravi Zacharias’s most popular book is Jesus Among Other Gods: The Absolute Claims of the Ch... * Note: these are all the books on Goodreads for this author. In its initial “interim” report RZIM leadership not only confirmed the allegations but promised a full and thorough final report. Franklin Graham: ‘Our Freedom Comes from God’, Are You Really Waiting For Jesus Christ? For me yes the issue was important but what perhaps equally or even more important to me was how this issue was debated. This influence enabled RZIM to continue to perpetuate their false narrative about the Thompsons without accountability, leading to untold tens of thousands of their fellow christians to vilify them, compounding the destruction of their lives. But what can we learn from this yet another leader and their “fall from grace”. Perhaps the leader wouldn’t have so far to fall if they weren’t put as much on a pedestal in the first place? Now some of those involved with RZIM are speaking out. And no there was not enough information- which was the point of my initial article. Three years ago I became aware of allegations against one of those teachers, Ravi Zacharias. Yes if one part of the body suffers, all of it suffers and no different to the body of Christ and any other body. Why Should We Read, Hear and Trust the Scriptures. The world is laughing. A defender of traditional evangelicalism, Zacharias is the author of numerous Christian books, including the Gold Medallion Book Award winner Can Man Live Without God? On December 23, Ravi Zacharias International Ministries released the preliminary results of its independent investigation into allegations that Zacharias had sexually harassed and abused massage therapists at two “day spas'' Zacharias co-owned. That does not mean all that RZMI was a sham or pointless. For example it was only when the Same Sex Marriage debate was over that Ravi got involved – more to reassure his supporters in the US, than to have any influence. I am asking an extremely honest question: why is one’s own personal holiness (in refusing to call out wrong) more important than human beings who are suffering? I have many friends and family who are muslim, hindu, agnostic, and atheist. I wept at his loss, I weep at those claims but I somehow cannot believe any of it. I do agree when a ministry or church centers around man instead of Christ, it walks in shakey ground. Ravi Zacharias (full name Frederick Antony Ravi Kumar Zacharias, born 1946) is an Indian-born, Canadian-American evangelical Christian philosopher, apologist and evangelist. Ravi Zacharias (26 March 1946 – 19 May 2020) was an Indian-born Canadian-American Christian apologist who founded the RZIM (Ravi Zacharias International Ministry). playing it safe? My family and I participated in the memorial service of Dr. Ravi Zacharias last Friday evening. Bear with me on this. If we are Bible-believing Christians we are aware that the Bible teaches even our greatest heroes have feet of clay. RAVI ZACHARIAS (1946 - 2020) - My Last Sermon to the world. I have no intention of going into the details here – but I could not write the article – firstly because I would have nothing to add to the original one and secondly because there were unanswered questions which caused considerable doubt. May we all be quick to find grace as the planks in our eyes can sting. “The story of the gospel is the story of eternal life. It was that they had never heard the gospel before and all they see of church is arguments jut like anywhere else over difference. Sourced quotations by the Indian Philosopher Ravi Zacharias (1946 — 2020) about life, god and heart. That does not negate the good work that Ravi did, nor invalidate the gospel he preached – but it does make it harder for those of us who preach that gospel. Two days before Christmas, Ravi Zacharias International Ministries confirmed that its founder had engaged in sexual misconduct over the course of many years. I’ve always found the Christian celebrity thing an oxymoron. Remarkable Last Words (or Near-Last Words) Picture Quotes. The evidence is overwhelming Jeanette. I’ll respond to your other comment, which was in response to my comment to you. "Sometimes people in leadership have to do things that are unethical" - Ravi Zacharias As for the victims, at this point, I don’t know enough about them to give an opinion. It is a simple fact that the very delayed reaction in evangelical leaders in general in standing up for what is right and plainly stating what is wrong regarding Ravi Zacharias and RZIM has enabled Ravi’s false narrative to grow like yeast. I am a believer, but I simply cannot participate in Evangelicalism any longer, largely because of so many instances of clergy abuses of power with impunity. Great article David. Having experienced personally, and seen the effects of gossip and allegations against a Christian teacher, I decided I could not judge. Standing Up And Bowing Down… It is only His Power that strengthens us. Can you honestly say you did due diligence 3 years ago in informing yourself? Speaking at the apologist’s funeral, Zacharias’s sister-in law said, “I want you to know that the way Ravi lived out his faith is the greatest reflection of Jesus that I have ever known.” “Three years ago I became aware of allegations against one of those teachers, Ravi Zacharias. To fill in the shades between literal black and white, i have no trouble surmising that Jesus had friendships with a variety of people who all did an assortment of both good and bad things. I do care that you follow Christ – and observe his teachings. Well, at 9.21pm, it would have been 21:21:21 on the 21st day of the year, in the 21st year, of the 21st Century… look back at Numbers in the OT…. 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